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	<title>Comments on: Who needs who for the win?</title>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://blog.officekami.com/2009/11/who-needs-who/comment-page-1/#comment-2605</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thx reza for sharing your method. We did that too :D. Result based on payment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thx reza for sharing your method. We did that too <img src='http://blog.officekami.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> . Result based on payment</p>
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		<title>By: reza razali</title>
		<link>http://blog.officekami.com/2009/11/who-needs-who/comment-page-1/#comment-2565</link>
		<dc:creator>reza razali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buat client servicing ni mmg susah, And I&#039;ve moved up from purely servicing to a mix of service + focus on our own IP + industry with better margin, and Alhamdulillah  stress pun kurang :)

but I believe the trick is simple aje, Payment tak ikut agreed payment timeline, kitapun jgn proceed with the next level, unless of course ada PO or LOA yg laku kalau bawak pergi bank :)

But the bottom line is I dont think we have anyone to blame but ourselves for downgrading the whole industry punya rate card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buat client servicing ni mmg susah, And I&#8217;ve moved up from purely servicing to a mix of service + focus on our own IP + industry with better margin, and Alhamdulillah  stress pun kurang <img src='http://blog.officekami.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>but I believe the trick is simple aje, Payment tak ikut agreed payment timeline, kitapun jgn proceed with the next level, unless of course ada PO or LOA yg laku kalau bawak pergi bank <img src='http://blog.officekami.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But the bottom line is I dont think we have anyone to blame but ourselves for downgrading the whole industry punya rate card.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://blog.officekami.com/2009/11/who-needs-who/comment-page-1/#comment-1991</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suffian - I like your word, clients will be clients :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suffian &#8211; I like your word, clients will be clients <img src='http://blog.officekami.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Suffian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suffian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, tekong. I like your advice on how to make clients &#039;need&#039; us. I faced some of those problems myself before joining an agency. It was so hard back then (around 2003) when almost every client wanted a Flash website with a whole set of features and forms but only wanted to pay around 2K for it all. But having said that, even big agencies have to fight when it comes to payment sometimes. Clients will be clients. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, tekong. I like your advice on how to make clients &#8216;need&#8217; us. I faced some of those problems myself before joining an agency. It was so hard back then (around 2003) when almost every client wanted a Flash website with a whole set of features and forms but only wanted to pay around 2K for it all. But having said that, even big agencies have to fight when it comes to payment sometimes. Clients will be clients. <img src='http://blog.officekami.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://blog.officekami.com/2009/11/who-needs-who/comment-page-1/#comment-1964</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bat - hehe thanks for the RT LOL

iwani - do agree with you on educating the client if it happens that we need to accept that job. 

xun - do you apply &#039;who needs who&#039; perspective too ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bat &#8211; hehe thanks for the RT LOL</p>
<p>iwani &#8211; do agree with you on educating the client if it happens that we need to accept that job. </p>
<p>xun &#8211; do you apply &#8216;who needs who&#8217; perspective too ?</p>
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		<title>By: xun</title>
		<link>http://blog.officekami.com/2009/11/who-needs-who/comment-page-1/#comment-1962</link>
		<dc:creator>xun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>experienced this several times. fuh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>experienced this several times. fuh.</p>
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		<title>By: izuddin.helmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>izuddin.helmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30%-40%-30% = deposit – progress – completion

Hey, your payment scheme is really nice!
before this I do : 50-50 (deposit-completion)

It might motivates me to do work =)</description>
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<p>Hey, your payment scheme is really nice!<br />
before this I do : 50-50 (deposit-completion)</p>
<p>It might motivates me to do work =)</p>
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		<title>By: NoktahHitam</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoktahHitam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is where you rant? Cool!

Malaysian Web dev are SOO under appreciated, no thanks to mediocre Web Dev (hey, we all were there right?) that charges less than RM 1k per full site.

I dropped by at this company, it was a house developer. They had Rozel full leather sofa, 50&quot; plasma on the wall, and expensive-sweet wooden floor. Their lobby alone would probably cost around RM20k-30k. Now, for an office that receives about 20-30 people on business days, that is sure a lot right?
Well, their web receives about 200 visits per day, mind you, minimum.

Bla-bla-bla, guess how much they&#039;re willing to spend for website makeover? RM 1k! Gilaa ka? You think web dev makan kasut? Kasut also expensive these days! We have loans to keep up too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is where you rant? Cool!</p>
<p>Malaysian Web dev are SOO under appreciated, no thanks to mediocre Web Dev (hey, we all were there right?) that charges less than RM 1k per full site.</p>
<p>I dropped by at this company, it was a house developer. They had Rozel full leather sofa, 50&#8243; plasma on the wall, and expensive-sweet wooden floor. Their lobby alone would probably cost around RM20k-30k. Now, for an office that receives about 20-30 people on business days, that is sure a lot right?<br />
Well, their web receives about 200 visits per day, mind you, minimum.</p>
<p>Bla-bla-bla, guess how much they&#8217;re willing to spend for website makeover? RM 1k! Gilaa ka? You think web dev makan kasut? Kasut also expensive these days! We have loans to keep up too.</p>
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		<title>By: iwani</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice thoughts, momochi! And hope you&#039;ll spare some room for me share my thoughts too bwahaha

I definitely had experiences dealing with these sorta clients before and boy, it&#039;s really tiring. The promises, the waiting game, the chasing game.

Once I got my wake-up call, things started to get better. And when faced with these sorta clients again, I&#039;ll decide why is it worthy to proceed. If it isn&#039;t, I&#039;ll politely decline and suggest other alternatives for them

Imho, when you accept a job that is below appropriate price, you&#039;re selfish, as the creative industry is already taken for granted so much! But if you accept that price but at the same time, you educate the client about what the price should be and tell him why you&#039;re tolerating with the price offered, then you&#039;re doing everyone else a big favour

Competition is crazy in this industry, there are all sort of clients, there are all sort of individuals/companies, everyone with their own needs and wants. Everyone trying to survive. There&#039;s never enough space to rant about the shits we face everyday

And when we&#039;re through all the shits and still standing strong, we&#039;re the winners of this game baby!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice thoughts, momochi! And hope you&#8217;ll spare some room for me share my thoughts too bwahaha</p>
<p>I definitely had experiences dealing with these sorta clients before and boy, it&#8217;s really tiring. The promises, the waiting game, the chasing game.</p>
<p>Once I got my wake-up call, things started to get better. And when faced with these sorta clients again, I&#8217;ll decide why is it worthy to proceed. If it isn&#8217;t, I&#8217;ll politely decline and suggest other alternatives for them</p>
<p>Imho, when you accept a job that is below appropriate price, you&#8217;re selfish, as the creative industry is already taken for granted so much! But if you accept that price but at the same time, you educate the client about what the price should be and tell him why you&#8217;re tolerating with the price offered, then you&#8217;re doing everyone else a big favour</p>
<p>Competition is crazy in this industry, there are all sort of clients, there are all sort of individuals/companies, everyone with their own needs and wants. Everyone trying to survive. There&#8217;s never enough space to rant about the shits we face everyday</p>
<p>And when we&#8217;re through all the shits and still standing strong, we&#8217;re the winners of this game baby!</p>
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		<title>By: Bat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100% agree with this.

Now,I need to retweet this good stuff. =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100% agree with this.</p>
<p>Now,I need to retweet this good stuff. =D</p>
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